After working as a tech writer for several years, Zoe Murdock turned to fiction, specifically to her Mormon roots. The result is her indie-press-published semi-autobiographical novel Torn by God: A Family’s Struggle with Polygamy.
Zoe has been very patient as I’ve taken several months to put this interview together and then publish it (the novel came out in January) so I hope AMV readers will take the time to read the full thing — it’s very interesting. And, although I’ve only read the first 10 pages or so of the novel, I can say that it’s well-written. This is a quality self-published work. I don’t believe the novel has received much attention in the world of Mormon letters so far, but if any readers have heard of it or have links to mentions it that aren’t up on Zoe’s website so far, toss us a link or a reference in the comments. I’m very interested in hearing about the reception of this work in the Mormon community (Zoe talks a bit about what she has experienced so far below).
For more about Zoe and to purchase the novel, visit her website: zoemurdock.com
What was the genesis of “Torn by God” and for those who haven’t heard about it yet, what is the novel about? Why is it of interest to the Mormon letters community?
I’ve been writing about my life for years, frequently slipping back through time to my childhood and that small Mormon town in Utah where I grew up with my parents and ten siblings. Even when I’d attempt to write about the present, something would pull me back to a particularly troubling time when my parents were going through a crisis, a time when there was always sadness in my mother’s eyes. My mother died young, and I always blamed my father for her death without really knowing why. After exploring that period in my writing, I came to realize my mother’s sadness went back to when my father got involved with polygamy. I remembered her saying, “If there’s polygamy in heaven, I don’t want to go there.” I’d often find her crying in the bathroom with a towel over her head.
Even though we were good members of the LDS Church, my father got interested in polygamy. My parents were always very closed-mouthed about it around us kids so I knew very little of what actually took place. It was a family secret, and looking back it felt almost like a family myth. However, I did know that my father’s best friend, who he spent a lot of time with, became a polygamist. He took a second wife, and he was excommunicated for it. Later, I found a note in my mother’s journal saying how dirty she felt after being around that man. That’s all she wrote, and I wasn’t sure what it meant. Then, after my father died, I read his notebook. It was full of questions about polygamy and questions about what he was required to do in order to become a God. It was haunting to see how obsessed he was, and it made me realize I had to try to learn more about what happened back then. I began writing about it, taking myself back to when I was twelve years old. I imagined myself standing outside of their closed doors, listening. I tried to remember everything I’d heard as a child, attempting to understand what the words meant in the context of my father’s obsession with polygamy. My novel, “Torn by God: A Family’s Struggle with Polygamy” is what came of that journey back in time.
It is a story that I hope will be of value to many people, regardless of their religious orientation. Maybe it will help them take a similar journey back in time, to try to understand where their beliefs come from. I found out that even though I didn’t know it, the voices of my parents, my Primary and Sunday School teachers, the Bishop, and even the scriptures, were still whispering in my mind even though I hadn’t attended church for many years. I was surprised to find that those voices made me afraid, afraid that God would punish me for what I was discovering and writing down. Sometimes I had to work through that fear before I could continue writing.
Now that the earth has stopped shaking and I don’t feel that fear anymore, I find I am glad to have been born and raised Mormon. After all, much of who I am came from that Mormon environment.
As I take my book out into the world, people sometimes ask me hard and angry questions about Mormons, especially about Mormons’ involvement with polygamy. I find myself standing in the middle, trying to build a bridge of understanding, trying to tell them we are all much the same, that we all have beliefs and a set of moral codes we received when we were children. Those beliefs help us make life’s decisions, help us make sense of the unknown. It’s when we start to believe we have the one and only truth, that the problems arise. We begin to wonder how opposing truths can coexist with our truth. It can make us feel threatened and feel a need to insulate ourselves, or strike out at those who disagree with us.
Lately, I have been giving a great deal of thought to the fragility of faith. I’ve been wondering how the persecution and even killing that all too often comes with the defense of faith will ever end. I’ve come to believe that we all have to accept that truth is a relative thing, and that we need not totally reject the beliefs of others in order to hold onto our own beliefs.
In terms of why this book would be of interest to the Mormon letters community, I’ve read that there are many who would like to see Mormon literature extend beyond a Mormon readership and traditional Mormon subjects. In order for this to happen, we may need to deal with the difficult questions first, as that is what readers outside the faith are most interested in. Once they understand that Mormons are willing to confront those troubling issues, I believe they will become interested in Mormon-themed literature that deals with broader subjects.
Some members of the Mormon letters community were a little put off or puzzled by Coke Newell’s autobiographical novel “On the Road to Heaven” because of the mix of autobiography and fiction. How would you characterize “Torn by God?” What was the most difficult part about tackling this story and why do it via fiction?
I wrote my story as fiction because there was no way to for me to know explicit details of what happened back then. Many of the events took place behind closed doors, or away from home. Therefore, as I wrote, I was not looking for truth in the details; I was focused on discovering the philosophical and psychological truths that lay behind the events. I wrote from the point of view of a child because that was my perspective at the time, the only perspective I had to go on. Somewhere along the way, I realized that the truth of what happened between my parents was best seen through the helpless innocence and naivety of a child.
Several of my ten siblings have told me that when they read “Torn by God” it felt very real to them, even though they were not in the story. The first-person narrator, Beth, has only one little brother. That’s because I was trying to understand my parent’s situation and it would have been very distracting and difficult to include characters that were representative of all of my brothers and sisters. However, I did set the story in my real hometown, and most of the events actually happened there at one time or another, even though they may not have happened at that time or in the same context.
Related the previous question — how has writing the novel affected how you view your father, other members of your family, the community you grew up in and your own relationship to Mormonism?
I went through many levels of emotion as I wrote the story and often found myself crying for my mother, and for my father. My father’s obsession to know God and to find out what God wanted of him often affected my family in troublesome ways, not only during the time he flirted with polygamy, but throughout our lives. Writing “Torn by God” helped me understand that he was very susceptible to the old stories of revelation and spiritual evolution, stories he had heard all his life. I also learned that he was born just twenty-seven years after the Church rescinded polygamy, and that his grandfather was a polygamist and that he was the one who hid Brigham Young in City Creek Canyon when the militia was coming to arrest the saints who were practicing polygamy. It occurred to me that my father was living in a kind of in-between world of Church doctrine, which I believe caused a dissonance in his mind that was difficult for him to resolve. Despite what he did, I now have great compassion and respect for him. He was a complex man who desperately wanted to know God, personally. He always believed that was possible, and towards the end of his life, when he was suffering from Alzheimer’s and didn’t know who I was or even who he was, he was still looking for that personal communication with God.
Most of all, I feel great sympathy for my mother. She kept her sadness very much to herself. I wish I had been older and wiser so that I could have been her friend. She desperately needed at friend at that difficult time. My frustration with this shows up in my story as Beth looks on, wishing she could help her mother, but at age twelve she is not really in a position to do very much.
My feelings about where I grew up have never changed. I loved that little town, with the creek and the crows and the long lazy summer days of wandering the trails through the sagebrush. I have nothing but fondness for that place, even though it no longer exists. (It has disappeared into a suburban maze of fancy houses, to the point that I can barely find my way around anymore; but it will always live on in my mind.)
What has been the reception to the novel so far from non-Mormons, LDS and/or those in the fundamentalist Mormon community? Has anything surprised you?
I had just finished the final draft of my novel when the media was full of stories about Warren Jeffs and the FLDS, which of course meant there were also many stories about Mormons. Then Mitt Romney ran for president and a new round of publicity about Mormons began. Now, when I do readings from my book, audiences who have heard all the stories in the news are full of pent-up questions, not only about “polygamists,” but about the fundamentalist’s relationship to the LDS Church.
Mormons who have read my book often tell me that they get so involved in the story they read it all in one sitting. It seems to affect many Mormon readers deeply. I hope some of these people will come forward and describe their experience of reading the book. It would help me understand what they are getting from it. Ex-Mormons, or at least those who say they are no longer attending church, are sometimes troubled by the story. That surprises me. Maybe my child narrator causes them to relive the innocence and vulnerability of their childhood, a vulnerability they are now trying to escape. Even so, some of these readers have come back to talk with me and it has led to some wonderful discussions about faith and the rejection of faith.
Non-Mormons mostly have a lot of questions. They have heard all the stories in the media about Mormons and fundamentalists and they want to know how much of it is true. They want to know how many Mormons still practice polygamy. Even after all the disclaimers by the LDS Church, many non-Mormons still associate Mormonism with polygamy. It is easy for me to set them straight about that, but the Church’s historical connection to polygamy is much more difficult to explain.
So far, I don’t know of any fundamentalists who have read my novel. The “bad guy” in the novel is a fundamentalist so I doubt they would feel I have represented them fairly. I do have some uneasiness about that representation, but as I wrote the story, I came to understand the tremendous power a man who is in the position of speaking for God has. The fundamentalist antagonist in my story uses his self-claimed relationship with God for his own purposes. These days, there are many instances of this type of abuse of power and the issue concerns me greatly. Any man or woman who speaks for God should consider their position very carefully and “first do no harm.” I believe restricting the mind and free will of a person is definitely doing them harm.
Are you currently working on another book?
I am about a third of the way through the first draft of a novel about Alzheimer’s as a state of enlightenment. It is another book based on my father’s life. It also takes place in Utah. My father built a house in the desert near Hurricane, Utah, and in the book the character modeled on him picks up a variety of very interesting hitchhikers as he drives down there from Salt Lake City. Surprisingly, it is a story with a good deal of humor in it.
What works of art do you draw inspiration from or find especially interesting and/or entertaining? Any authors that you particularly like?
I am drawn to any art that shows a unique and intriguing perception. I love Van Gogh, Picasso, the pointillist painters, Edward Hooper, and University of Utah art professor Tony Smith who is a friend and one of my favorite artists.
I love books that have a clear and original voice, that take me deep into the mind of a character, a culture, or a point of view. Some books I’ve recently read are Angela’s Ashes by Frank McCourt, The Book of Ruth by Jane Hamilton, Bastard Out of Carolina by Dorothy Allison, and Because It Is Bitter and Because It Is My Heart by Joyce Carol Oates. Some of my favorite writers are Doris Lessing, Gabriel GarcÃa Marquez, Toni Morrison, Joyce Carol Oates, David Malouf, and Margaret Atwood.
I like the music of Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Emmy Lou Harris, Sara McLaughlin, Joan Baez, Gillian Welsh, Bonnie Rait, and John Prine, and any of the story songs written by Doc Murdock, my soul mate forever. What these artists all have in common is that they offer a deep and passionate look into a unique perspective of human consciousness.
25 thoughts on “Q&A with Zoe Murdock author of “Torn by God””
Zoe, if you stop by, I’m curious to know what led you to self-publishing.
I’m sure Zoe will be happy to answer your question, but I should made more clear that while this is her first work of fiction that she has published, she and her husband are probably better described as indie publishers rather than self-publishers: http://www.hotpresspublishing.com/
Ah-ha! I should have known that chanson would have reviewed Torn by God already.
Yes, she took a look right away. Her blog is picked up by quite a few other blogs. Nice for me.
I appreciate your comment that Torn by God is published by an indie press. As folks can read at http://www.hotpresspublishing.com, we produced a large number of books for private corporations in the early years of the PC, and also published a number of books with national publishers. Now we’re writing fiction full-time and teaching an advanced weekly fiction-writing workshop – on-going for more than eight years.
I’ve updated the post accordingly and that’s the usage I’m going to push here at AMV:
indie-press = analogous to indie label
self-published = analogous to demo tape
The difference is track record and the trappings of label-dom.
I suppose some people would use small press, but I prefer to speak in terms of approach rather than size.
As for why I didn’t go with a national publisher, I worked hard to do that. There was a great deal of interest from a number of the top literary agents in NY. They were obviously interested in the subject of polygamy, but in the end I’m not sure they knew what to do with a serious Mormon novel, one without any of the titillation they might have expected by the word polygamy in the title. I also didn’t think it was a novel Desert Books would be interested in publishing. I thought of Signature, but then realized we are on the edge of a whole new world of publishing with POD. My husband and I decided it would be interesting to explore that new world. With our publishing experience, we could make something of it on our own. From what we’re seeing and hearing from a variety of readers, we think it just might be one of those rare Mormon-themed novels of interest to Mormons as well as the mainstream. We’d love to know you think. And if anyone has any ideas for helping us make it a success, we’d love to hear them.
I think companies like yours will be the future of Mormon publishing. Deseret Book isn’t going away, but POD and the Internet are creating opportunities for meeting the full needs of the (potential) Mormon audience.
Yes, I think so too, Th. And maybe the future of all publishing, in one way or another. It doesn’t make sense to print a lot of books and store them in a warehouse if you can print them when they are needed. Of course, for top selling books there will always be the big first run, but after that POD makes more sense. The other thing is that with newspapers dropping like flies, and book reviews changing hands, and publishing companies folding, I think things are going to look very different in the not too distant future. I’ve always liked being on the leading edge, but it’s a little rough, because at this point the automatic book reviews in the big papers, and the radio show and talk show appearances are hard to get at this point. You have to do your book marketing from the ground up, like happened with The Shack, if you know the history of that book. I’ve got the energy and endurance (as William may attest to), but I have to admit, it’s interfering with my writing. And that’s sad, because I’ve got a very interesting (to me) second novel in the works.
Thanks, William. I appreciate that. I prefer the term indie-press as well. That’s what we are.
Well. Look at the hawking as your dayjob. We all got one. 🙂
Zoe, is your press interested in producing e-book formats other than Kindle? That’s one of the things our press specializes in.
The hawking? Yes, well, it is my day job, but I want to take time to write at least one chapter a week on my new novel. That means I’ll have 52 chapters in one year – first draft, anyway. I do a lot of drafts.
I wouldn’t mind other e-book formats. What are the details on your program.
I plan to put it on the Sony Reader (when I get a minute). Someone’s even reading Torn by God on an I-phone. Can’t imagine it, but each to his own.
Wish someone would talk about the book, as well as the publishing of the book. Anyone?
Zoe, I would like to talk about the book, but I haven’t read it. In any case, I read this post and am working on something for which your book will come in very handy. I’ll put it on my TBR pile.
With regard to the other e-book formats, we do 7 (used to do 8, but no longer fiddling with EPUB), for different devices and software. Give me a shout if you’d like to talk.
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Exactly! When it comes to indie-published works on the fringes of Mormon culture, you know I’m on the job! 😀
I’ll be interested in reading the book at some point, probably when I finish working on mine. I grew up a half a mile away from a polygamist colony and easily a third of my school was made of kids from there. I was (and remain) good friends with many of them. Some have distanced themselves from it and carry deep-seated emotional scars. Others have embraced it (such as my dear friend who just took his second wife). There were occasionally people in my ward who left the church in order to practice polygamy (consenting husbands and wives, in most cases) and people from the colony who would leave and come join my ward. I even remember one fellow and his wife who left to become polygamous and after a few years, he came back to the church and she stayed in the colony and married into another family. I grew up with kids named Nephi, Israel, and Heber, and who largely observed my beliefs better than I did. Phenomenologically, it was an unexceptional part of my childhood.
But because of this, I have spent quite a significant amount of time pondering polygamy and its role not only in church history and other dispensations, but in the eternities as well. I ponder it not in the hope of ever practicing it, but that I might understand something of eternity and discipleship. My mother taught me that the plan of salvation is designed to make us only as happy as we want to be and no happier. Like Zoe’s mother, I must ask myself, “if this is heaven, is heaven what I want?”
Perhaps “understanding” polygamy is not the correct idea in play here. I could just as easily say “categorizing” polygamy or understanding “sacrifice” and ponder along the same pathway, I feel. The Prophet Joseph taught that we must be prepared to sacrifice even as Abraham, whom I also wonder about. Was he better off for the experience of almost sacrificing his son, or was he scarred by it? What does it do to a man to learn that he is capable of sacrificing his only son for the Lord? Because this story didn’t end when they descended the mount. What passed between Abraham and Isaac whenever they looked at each other forever after that? And what’s more, what passed between Abraham and Sarah? Perhaps she rejoiced that her husband had obeyed the Lord in Moriah. Perhaps she dreaded that he would again on some future day. Their bond and the measure of their discipleship is as inscrutable to me as that between a man and plural wives. I have no desire to ever sacrifice any of my children — the thought is horrifying — and yet I would be a disciple worthy of a place at the right hand of God. Perhaps, I only want to be “so” happy, and no more.
Thus, without reading the novel, I sympathize with both Zoe’s mother and father. I wonder if there isn’t something akin to Abraham and Sarah at play here. Although in this case, the Abraham in question seems to have gone to the land of Moriah with the hope — but not the commandment — of meeting the Lord upon the mount.
Oh, I like what you’ve written here, ET. And I would be honored and excited if you read my book some day and comment on it. I’ve been searching for someone to look at it deeply and I like very much your question about whether it has something akin to Abraham and Sarah at play. I want to know more. Much more. Thank you.
Hi Zoe: Thank you so much for the Q&A re your book. Of particular interest were your comments that problems begin to arise when we believe we have the one and only truth to the exclusion of others’ “truths” or beliefs. That is probably the crux of problem with Mormonism as it relates to the rest of the world. Your comments about how much your father wanted to know God and what God wanted of him hit home as my father was much like that too. Polygamy is a part of my family history as well. My great x2 grandfather took two extra wives upon his arrival in Utah in 1850. I am half way through your book and I find it fascinating. Greg
I’m sure I’ll get to it at some point. My commitment to other projects means that I have to be highly selective about my reading due to time constraints, so I have quite a backlog. And even then, I don’t know that I’ll have anything intelligent to say about your book when I do, Zoe, but if I do, I imagine you’ll be among the first to know.
I’d have to look it up somewhere, but I am pretty sure Brigham Young never had to be hid in a canyon. The Utah War came to a negotiated end in 1858, with Brigham Young still in command of a sizable militia, and never in any immediate danger of capture. He remained a public figure after that until his death in 1877, under no threat of prosecution. It was only in the 1880s, after the Edmunds act, that the Church leadership went underground.
Well, Andrew, your history may be better than mine, but I heard all my life that my great grandfather, who had a mill in City Creek Canyon, hid Brigham Young when the U.S. militia was coming for him. I would like to hear about it if you find other information about my great grandfather, even if you spoil my childhood illusions.
Someone told me today that it was John Taylor that my great grandfather hid at the mill, not Brigham Young. I didn’t think to try to find out what was true while I was writing my novel, because I’ve thought all my life it was Brigham Young. If I find out any thing more about the circumstances regarding John Taylor, I’ll let you know here.
I just found this article on my great grandfather, Samuel Sudbury, which tells of his relationship to Brigham Young and John Taylor, the names of his three wives, and the fact that he was Superintendent of all Brigham Young’s mills for a time. Search for Sudbury (Samuel John).